Metacognition
Published on April 13, 2008 By psychx In International

This is my first new post in 4 years.  I stepped away for school and work.  I'm here to pose a question.  Why is it freedom is so selective?  The current analogue is Tibet, of course.  You may have heard of it.  Tibetans want to be independent, as they were.  China, the new bully in town, says no way!  Everyone feels for them, some protest, but there is no major multilateral front from any government or institution. Why?  Because it's effing China.  So what do I mean by selective freedom?  Well it's easy to explain.  We went to Iraq to free its people from a repressive regime that the U.S. installed.  Some Iraqi's want us there some don't, and that point here is irrelevant.  My aim is to cultivate debate and receive opinions, hopefully far from my own, on why we chose Iraq over other nations to help liberate. 

Another example is Sudan.  The major ethnic cleansing is downright horrific, with thousands of cases of rapings, killings, mulitations, and Lord knows what else.  We sent financial, and some structural help, but now it is largely buried in the media's closet.  There is very little reporting on it.  Why is that?  Why not Sudan instead of Iraq?  We aren't in Iraq to fight terrorists, since there weren't any there in the first place.  We are in Iraq to liberate them according to George W..  I know this may strike the reader as naivete.  If we didn't fight Iraq they would develop WMD's blah blah blah,.  It seems to me that there were and there are larger threats than Iraq that we have not been able to curtail due to our current quagmirish dilemma.  I digress.  My aim is to ask why do we not apply the same standards we did to Iraq, to Tibet, or Sudan?  We support Bosnia's secession, but we forget others.  What is the criteria that we use to judge whether we should liberate a nation who feels oppressed, and who cries out for internation help?  It's amazing to me how the powers that be are so quick to support the recent Kosovo secession, but whimper at Tibets similar calls.  I just don't get it.  What do you all think?

 


Comments
on Apr 13, 2008

First of all, welcome back and nice to meet you.  Thanks for your support in KFC's blog.  I usually don't respond to those sorts of posts only because I don't need the angst but I couldn't help myself in that case.

It's amazing to me how the powers that be are so quick to support the recent Kosovo secession, but whimper at Tibets similar calls. I just don't get it.  What do you all think?

I've probably got a rather simplistic answer for you and that is China, at the moment, is the world's main manufacturing centre and that is everything from modern technology to shoes and clothes.  If the rest of the world were to protest with trade embargos, for instance, we'd all be worse off.  China probably would suffer for a short while but they'd quickly turn themselves around.  I'm only saying this from a very layman logic point of view.  Heck, I could be completely wrong.

As for what America (and my home, Australia) is doing in Iraq, well there are probably many different political points of view, none of which I profess to know much about, not being even slightly politically motivated.  It probably has a lot to do with oil and controlling oil wells.  I don't think it has very much to do with terrorism or even with the supposed 'threat' to the Western world.  Personally, I think George W wanted to distract the nation and the rest of the world away from his internal social and economic incompetencies.

on Apr 13, 2008

It is nice to meet you.  I support all common sense, and truth and you were spot on.  Thank you for your comment.  I agree with you fully.  China gets a sort of diplomatic immunity to most civl rights abuses they may commit.  When I hear our leaders speak of promoting freedom, what I really hear is,

we are promoting convenient freedom, morality ladies and gents is going to take a back seat in this process of supposed liberation. 

Sigh...

But what is most appaling is how the media has reporting amnesia when it comes to these things.  They take a back seat to ratings. 

on Apr 13, 2008

we are promoting convenient freedom, morality ladies and gents is going to take a back seat in this process of supposed liberation.

What is liberation, anyway, particularly to an Iraqi?  Is it the right to practice their religion as they see fit?  Is it the right to listen to music or watch movies from around the world without censure?  Is it the right to not have soldiers standing on every corner or maniacs blowing themselves up in market places regularly? 

I'm not anti-military.  I spend 10 years in the Australian Airforce.  But I am anti-involvement in campaigns that seem to be obtusely reasoned, as this Iraq campaign has been.  And you're right about the media too.  It does have a particularly short memory.

on Apr 14, 2008
We aren't in Iraq to fight terrorists, since there weren't any there in the first place.


A debate is started with accurate portayal of the facts, not talking points.

Whether Al Qaeda was in Iraq is open to debate. Whether Iraq was a base for terrorists is not. Salman Pak anyone? $25,000 for suicide bombers? Those are just the headlines (from the NY times, not a Bush rag). There are many more examples as well.
on Apr 25, 2008

Well actually in Tibet’s case, the Dalai Lama,

(Tibet’s spiritual leader) has said that he

doesn’t want Tibet to become independent, only more autonomous. And as for Sudan perhaps the main reason that major governments don’t want to involve themselves in too deeply is because there is nothing to be gained from it (There’s no oil or resources for example).     

dynamaso

What is liberation, anyway, particularly to an Iraqi?  Is it the right to practice their religion as they see fit?  Is it the right to listen to music or watch movies from around the world without censure?  Is it the right to not have soldiers standing on every corner or maniacs blowing themselves up in market places regularly? 

Good Question.

on Apr 25, 2008

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