This is exactly the thinking that has brought things to the point they are at. See for yourself what the NWO (one world government) has done to peoples throughout the earth. Does it seem as if they want to unite all people under one gov't for reason of sharing all the wealth and making us all get along? What is one government in existence today on multi-cultural level that does this you speak of? Who has eradicated poverty and hunger, etc.? The centralization of power into the hands of a few ultra-rich and un-accountable individuals is the antithesis of your objective..
I do not mean to be insulting at all but must say yours is a very naive point of view, based on the perception government is designed to do good, culture is bad, and difference of opinion or choice is wrong. I suggest you go back and read some history and government, and anthropology, and sociology, and psychology, and etc.,etc.,etc. then come back and tell us your findings.

Whoa man seems you got the wrong Idea. Try looking at it in the long run. All I was pondering is could humanity pull it off and would it work. Not whether it would be right or wrong... furthermore there is no country on a multi-cultural level that wants us to "share wealth or make us all get along" (the closest is the U.S. gov't and even thats a bad example) and I never said there was. It is your kind of thinking that proves my point. There are too many differences in opinion that makes me wonder would it ever work. You have your ideals and I have mine. Both are based from what each of us thinks its right. We gained these ideals through the way we where raised. I am looking at it psychologically not politcally. Ethno-centrism is the way most people base what is the overall good. Morals can be completely different. I wasn't wondering if politically it could be done I was wondering whether humanity as an overall could ever accomplish this. There are many different benefits that we could gain from one gov't as well as many different things we could lose. I think that overall a united world gov't would only further humanity's long awaited quest for peace into a success. All I am doing is wondering. Just something to give someone esle to think about. That is why I didn't go anymore in-depth my friend. It's ok though different opinions like yours is what makes this world interesting. As far as giving power to the ultra-rich that as well is adding to my point. I don't think it could be done. Try and read into things not just look at it from afar and respond first. If you take apart something and look at each part individually you can get a better understanding for it i.e; your a bad critic. I never said difference of opinion was bad or culture or that government is designed to do "good". I'll say it slowly and simply for you, I am saying that people need culture and differences not that its bad o.k.? Now the next thing I am saying is that a united gov't could and probably would diminish those differences that you like so much do you understand now? Or maybe not keep your opinion its what makes you unique whatever. If we ever accomplish a united gov't it wont last long I can see that now.

I just don't see how you can hold both positions at once. You can't have all humanity under one gov't and also have individual cultures. Jesus HAD to die because he was different and an empire can't have individual choice. A Jew Subject was kept in line by his own controlled theology as sanctioned by the Romans. Jesus was suggesting to Jews a new way of Jews living and it could not be allowed or control would be lost over the Jewish sector of Rome.
Forgive me for reading your words improperly, but it seems to me you do premise that hunger,etc. is related to non-unity of all Peoples. "Every country sticks to its own ideals and interests. There are still wars going on. Beyond that the world have to conform to one Identity. I don't think humankind could ever reach this enlightened state. There isn't a lack of compasion but identity. Humankind has always needed an identity. Sovereign states have different cultures. There are many different cultures within the same countries. With one government the world would be able to unite and extinguish poverty, hunger, miseducation, and many things that plague the world. With one government the interests of mankind would all be the same, everyone would have the same concerns and problems."
To my study on the problem, the only way mankind will ever have such a peaceful and equal world is when all neurosis is eliminated.
I hold that it is useless to try to have peace between the Jews and Moslems until we take over a ship full of six-shooters, dig a massive pit, and let the neurotics- who think GOD authorizes them,as a master race, to kill all non-believers- have at it. Then the peaceful and true believers in God can bulldoze the bodies in a pit and get on with a peaceful life together. Likewise, we'd have to let all bullies beat each other to death, all money grubbers rob and rip each other off then burn the whole pile. Short of sterilizing them and destroying the source materials for such behaviors it would never end. And if it did we'd find ourselves in the same State we started to get out of. It just can't be done, and this is one of the lessons of life I think. We have to know good and evil and choose to be good, or else it is just force.
One of the things I find believiable of the Holy Byblos, is that God chose one out to know and be good, and one has no control over it. He knew you would be or would not be 'saved' when he built the universe. He knew that Saten would try to defeat him and he knew he would win the battle and Satanists just delude themselves to tink otherwise. It's just the way it is and we delude ourselves to think we can alter His decision and 'save' someone or not do his will. He says he decided long before Judas was born he'd betray Christ and go to hell for it. Not fair or just, but who will tell God what is right? It has to be if he says so, and he lets evil have some for the joy of having those who Love him and 'choose' to not be so. I just thank my God for the grace of loving me and let him take care of such mysteries in his time.
I don't say this as a 'religious' type who is leading you to the Byblos, I mean I am not Christian. It just illustrates well how such things are not part of nature and never have been. Please let me know if you do come up with something though, cause I've spent over 30 years thinking on this and that's all I can come up with to solve the problem.

"You can't have all humanity under one gov't and also have individual cultures"

This is exactly what I am saying for example:

"What separates us now is society and culture. The differences of opinion due to different ways of being brought up. Cultures differ greatly and its those differences that we all hang on to"

"I'll say it slowly and simply for you, I am saying that people need culture and differences not that its bad o.k.? Now the next thing I am saying is that a united gov't could and probably would diminish those differences that you like so much do you understand now?"

So you are agreeing with me on that, atleast.

"Jesus HAD to die because he was different and an empire can't have individual choice. A Jew Subject was kept in line by his own controlled theology as sanctioned by the Romans. Jesus was suggesting to Jews a new way of Jews living and it could not be allowed or control would be lost over the Jewish sector of Rome."

I partly agree with you on that but thats looking at it from a historical aspect. From a theological and biblical point of view he had to die because that was his destiny to die for our sins. He was Gods son and his death would change the way we Gods children were judged and forgiven. You can go both ways with that because you can either believe the bible as Gods spoken words to man or believe it to be a historical journal.

"Forgive me for reading your words improperly, but it seems to me you do premise that hunger,etc. is related to non-unity of all Peoples"

This is easy for me to explain. Hunger is not directly related to man's differences and division, but with that said I believe that with all mankind united it would be much easier to alleviate poverty and hunger with no worries about separate interests or wars. The worlds poverty stricken countries of today are only their own problems with the occasional help from the U.S. and England. With one government those problems would be everyones problems don't you think. It would no longer be that unnamed communist countrie's problem it would be our problem.

"I hold that it is useless to try to have peace between the Jews and Moslems until we take over a ship full of six-shooters, dig a massive pit, and let the neurotics- who think GOD authorizes them,as a master race, to kill all non-believers- have at it. Then the peaceful and true believers in God can bulldoze the bodies in a pit and get on with a peaceful life together. Likewise, we'd have to let all bullies beat each other to death, all money grubbers rob and rip each other off then burn the whole pile. Short of sterilizing them and destroying the source materials for such behaviors it would never end"

This is actually funny and depressing at the same time. So you think that the only way to achieve peace is through genocide. I believe most of these people's problems is lack of education. You take ignorance and teach it only one way to live and it is like a ripple affect, ignorance breeds ignorance. Muslim extremists are taught from birth to hate the west. Jewish people are for the most part arrogant but not terrorists. For both cultures they are raised to believe that what they do is justified and right. When all of society around you agrees on something teaches it and enforces it you aren't left with many options on what to believe. As Americans we are raised to believe in freedom and that there are many different ways of living and many different ways of thinking. That is what I think separates us. It's basic cultural relativism. What they do, they do with the ignorant belief that it is what is right to do.

"We have to know good and evil and choose to be good, or else it is just force."

I must say this is a great statement you made, but if you are raised to believe evil is good and good is evil and that is all you know and are subjected to you will believe it. I mean its not like they have advertising in afghanistan for reverend al sharptons sermons.

"One of the things I find believiable of the Holy Byblos, is that God chose one out to know and be good, and one has no control over it. He knew you would be or would not be 'saved' when he built the universe. He knew that Saten would try to defeat him and he knew he would win the battle and Satanists just delude themselves to tink otherwise. It's just the way it is and we delude ourselves to think we can alter His decision and 'save' someone or not do his will. He says he decided long before Judas was born he'd betray Christ and go to hell for it. Not fair or just, but who will tell God what is right? It has to be if he says so, and he lets evil have some for the joy of having those who Love him and 'choose' to not be so. I just thank my God for the grace of loving me and let him take care of such mysteries in his time."

If you love God you must also love all his children. You cannot state that you think all these extremists should just duel it out because these are our brothers and sisters dying and being subjected to such evil. If you believe in the bible and what it states than you should believe that a one world government will exist and it will bring peace for a short time. It's in the bible that the world will unite under one order, one monetary unit, and it will be peaceful for 3 years. God has also given all of us free will, even if he does know the future it is up to us to get there.

I truly think it will be a very arduous path. Extremists aren't born they are made. The only way to get rid of the problem is to eliminate the ignorance. You get rid of the ignorance and unity can be easier to obtain. The thing that makes me think is how to get rid of the ignorance. I just hope we don't destroy ourselves before we can reach peace.

The problems are intrinsic to the system. There are several assumptions in your work here that betray your 'lack of education' as you term it. The position that Moslems are raised to hate the West is bald faced wouldn't you say? How about Salomon Rushdie, who was given advanced warning to stay out of NY City before the 9/11 events. I think if you look real real hard you'll find a few Moslems who don't hate the West. Hell, Sadam Hussein was on our CIA payroll for years. He got them wearing American-style pants. Likewise, I think if you look real real hard you'll find a Israeli who is more than arrogant when he shoots Moslems. You might even come to see how biased and 'educated' in the American education system to speak so.
My friend, the Christian world suffered under a curse of being Satanic if they did dental study for centuries because the Church ordered all Moslem knowledge destroyed. It was after centuries of Christian-coontrolled rule that the Moslem came and re-taught Europeans the concept of zero, another denounced Satanic symbol to the Church. Our entire dental science owes its' existence to the Moslem who freed us from the dark ages of the Christian Church over Europe. Of course I don't hold the invasion of any people a virtuous act but let's get a grip in our view of the Moslem at least. It is due to our 'education' that such views of Moslems as Satanic or hateful, which is contributing to our present endorsement of the Bush Administration in its genocidal bulldozing of homes in Iraq now. If we were 'educated' we would not even be there, as there are no WMD and Sadam is in custody; BUT we're still there due to the thorough 'education' of Americans by the 'controlled-media' and our education system.
As to culture, I see no reason to de-limit it or decrease it. Culture is the differentiating essence of a People. To eliminate culture is what invaders do, not those who care for others and respect their independence. My cultural heritage is mine, and I'll not reject it for anyone. It defines my People and our character. It isn't my culture that is destoying the earth, it is the lack of culture of the leaders of the 'free world' who are using guises such as Sadam is planning to blow up a City if we don't go get him and his WMD. Imagine a guy who has hundreds of WMD saying it is not right for another to also have them. Such people would also take away the right to keep and bare arms.
We live in a culture of occupation and are wrong to be in Iraq and Afghanistan right now. If any culture should be reviewed it is ours in America. What you'll find is that, unlike a Nation, or ethnic group, America has NO culture of value outside of taking others property for their own use. We have reduced our symphony halls to the level of playing variants of, 'Take me out to the ball-game" . We stand in line for hours to get tickets to see and witness the spectacle of people banging garbage-can lids in rythym; and in the same halls we used to have symphony orchestras in. We even have grown-ups in their 30's on Niclelodeon selling their 5th grade lyric trash to our children at the kids nick awards show. Do you think they do it because they care anything about our kids? They do it to take money from them and by bigger cars and homes. Oh, I guess this is part of American culture too, to waste and overuse resources to point of absurdity and conspicuous consumption, so it must be all right with parents who let their kids get boosted for their allowance by these strangers in the living room. Disgusting, such a culture and the kids have nothing to aspire to in such a 'Empire'.

The Romans too lost their culture as they grew into occupying other Nations that had their own. Culture is not native to an Empire and refutes it in its insistence on reliiance upon self, respect for self, honor for self. I say MORE culture for America, more for Moslems, more for Israeli's. With culture there is hope of them finding a place to live within themselves and no need to hurt others to have self-respect.
The world does not need centralized government to feed the poor and never did. We don't need to feed the world. It is on those Nations to feed their own, and many could if it weren't for mercenary action, CIA interference, international conglomerates setting up shop, and creating factions to destabilize their people so usurpers can steal their rsources while they fight amongst themselves.
I'm glad no one else has gotten into this yet as it is allowing us to ti-tat and turning into a substantive series of artricles on matters of value in a intelligent and respectful way. Something rare here. Hope you keep it going.

Psychx, I must apologize in the first for writing this on your site, instead of mine, but I'd rather give you the points instead of myself.

I agree with pretty much all of your statements. Except for that I'm NOT 14, I'm an adult now. I really don't like getting messed up in "kid shit" (excuse my language), I am just easily offended, and that blog was kind of a... defensive act on my part. I'm pretty sure it made me LOOK like a little kid, but I felt like one, too, you know, the anger, misinterpretation, feeling threatened, all that stuff.

I agree with what you said, people should focus more on people who are actually in need, and that little tiff you witnessed is not what I like to do. I don't like constantly acting like a baby, thinking only about what happens to me...

I'm not bettering the world by trying to help people in third world countries, but I am trying my best to treat people better, and to get others to understand that they're not the only ones out there... It's not just all in my blog, either, it's something that I actively try to do.

Yeah. I'm not sticking up for myself here, I'm agreeing with your telling me and the other people responding to "grow up" in less words.

We should.

good topic. To me, we need to put this again into any evolutionary context, which is partially the nature of psychx's post. Can we evolve to unity and overcome the necessary ignorance to get there. A common mistake I see being made regarding different cultures it that we are assuming them to be all on the same eveolutionary level and just different from one another. Maybe we can look at it in a way where different cultures are at different evolutionary phases, meanwhile being perfectly true to that stage. and while there is an implied hierarchy in this, i do not suggest one to be better then another, just more developed.

Much of the terrorists mindset, for example, is basic tribal survival stuff. Mush of the West (in Bush's world) is old style tradition and patriarchal structure, and quite different from the tribal frame of reference. Most progressives now ar ethose who have broken the chains of the traditional structure and have come into brave individualism. this individualistic view, however, leaves us stuck in a flatland where everyone has a valid point of view. which is true, though it's limiting in the sense that it becomes difficult to seperate out the various steps taken evolutionarily - as this thread has shown.

In stepping back some, it seems the solution, the healing of 'ignorance' lies in helping various cultures evolve to the next level from wherever they are now. levels can't be jumped. also important is that this can never be a top down thing as in the form of government, but can and will only happen at the level of a given individual. we ourselves need to discover where we are in our own evolution and find how to keep moving up while also filling holes within our own development which may have been missed or left undone.

if you are interested more in this line of thinking, is a bottomless pit. be careful IFF you really want to learn more, let me know and I can direct you with more precision. ~j

psychx,
a, your link doesn't work
b, when i corrected it, the page was empty?

Wow great site. The world is getting smaller and smaller. Will the closing proximity of human mass drive us to insanity, like so many rats stuffed into a cage, or will we band together like a close knit family - each caring about the welfare of the others? Or both?

Jeff are you describing an evolution of societies moreso than governments ?

Where are we at now, what is next ? Can we even anticipate it, or will it come thru some unanticipated massively chaotic sudden event. Do you read much science fiction bychance?

I am convinced we will only band together when the aliens land.

Evolution of everything, including society, gov't etc. but I think our real situation is that society evolved Ahead of gov't. that is why the so-called grass roots is so important, because until society changes, gov't can't. dig?

Where we are at now, frankly, is kind of scary. We are evolvoing beyond our capacity to deal with ourselves, there is a real urgency in these post modern times. There are individuals who are in a real way on the "frothy edge" of evolving consciousness. It is they who are drawing a map for us. I think the important thing to recognize it that, alien invasion or not, we are here together and we need to coordinate where we are going. Short of that, there is a real possibility of lesser evolved faction of humanity with WMD capacity will amke decisionos for us and do so based on value structures relative only to their own stage of development. For me now, the big, "what to do?" lies in expanding myself as much as possible while lighting a fire in others as we travel together.

so Ultimately, it is evolution of Individuals.

I forgot, the Where are we going part. And the "unanticipated massively chaotic sudden event" was formerly known as 9/11. It was a spark of lightning in almost everybody, moving each from where they were to something new, though generally without their knowledge. So we are now just beginning to discover that an awakening has already happened and we are in the midst of it. The new Theory (psych, philo, spirit, gov't, science, et al) is coming to be known in one language as 'Integral". You can get a feel of it just by the word, an integration of everything we already know while adding more every day. For me what is developing is this evolutionary model that gets away from distinguishing nations and cultures, and instead begins to unify them all. Previosly this has seemed like a pipe dream of idealists (self included), but recently it seems to have really caught fire as more and more people are coming together and recognizing each other and our RealCosmic situation. Enron, etc. is just more dust in the bin, but there is much work to do yet.

"Imagination, I believe, plays an essential role in the manifestation of reality.. And then from there, believing in that, and then having the courage to step away from the comfort zone, and to step into the void. And live in a moment, beautifully, magically, wondrously, and to have that call forth new moments with new wonder, and new beauty. It's like stepping off of a cliff and the ground is moving up to your feet with each step you take, but each step could be the final step."

Who is SaulWilliams?

It resonates. I will be checking your site - hopefully you will post more.

Courage and Imagination are a powerful force, no ?

et tu', Brute'?